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November 11, 2011

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Jason Richwine

A correction is needed.

You write: "The researchers added benefits to teacher pay--benefits most teachers never see because they are deferred until retirement age--and counted only teacher's on-the-clock hours, and NO summer hours."

All three claims in that quote are false. The benefits added are what the average teacher collects, taking into account that some teachers leave before accruing them. Hours are SELF-REPORTED work hours, not on-the-clock. Finally, sensitivity analysis was conducted on the length of summer vacations, recognizing that the issue is controversial.

Please post a correction so that future readers are not misled.

Ariel Sacks

Jason, thank you for reading and commenting on my blog.

In response to your first point about your data taking into account teachers leaving before accruing full benefits:

Edweek reported after your Washington presentation that, "When asked during the question and answer session if the study included data on teacher attrition rates and how those might affect the value of the retirement benefits teachers actually receive, the study's authors said they did not because of a 'data access issue.'"

http://www.edweek.org/tm/articles/2011/11/02/aei_teacherpay.html?r=1605384039

To your second point, that teachers self reported their hours in your study--what question did you ask them to answer? The wording of the question could lead in several different directions. A neutral question, such as, "What are your weekly work hours?" would likely prompt most teachers to fill in their official paid work hours, rather than the hours they actually work. I couldn't find this information in your report.

Finally, about summer hours. I'm not sure what you mean about sensitivity analysis and the controversial issue. I have six weeks of official summer vacation. I spend much of that time looking at data and reflecting on the past year, planning curriculum for the coming year, and reading and attending workshops for my professional growth. I don't earn additional pay for this work or any salary differential for the professional development I do voluntarily. This is common for teachers I know. Perhaps this is what makes the term "vacation" somewhat controversial.

Jason Whitaker

I have a friend who loves to go in on me about how easy teachers have it. He's quick to point out all the (false) facts floating around like vacation time, Summers, off at 330pm and so on. I've had an open offer to anyone who thinks this job is easy cake and that we don't truly earn our salt to come and teach any class for an amount of time I suggest. That offer hasn't been taken up at all.

I think the Teacher Pay debate really helps people feel better about Parents not Parenting Debate. Many people want us to turn water into wine, but give us some pretty dirty water to start or just a bucket of sand. By arguing that teachers aren't doing what they need to do they take the scope off that true fact that parents aren't doing all they can to help.

Bernard

Awesome blog. Very informative. Your blog is very valuable from the blogger’s mind. Keep it up!

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    Ariel Sacks teaches eighth grade English at a middle school in Brooklyn, NY. She has published articles about her work in Teacher Magazine and is a co-author of the new book Teaching 2030.

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