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March 30, 2008

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Nate Barton

Bill-
I have heard your statements loud and clear and I have posted response to your words. I am a fellow teacher. I am here in Raleigh. I am ready to begin the discussions that lead to a movement for change. I feel like you are in that same place. I believe that you, with more years of experience, are beyond the frustrations that I have accrued in my brief stint. Let us see if we could do something.

Bob Heiny

Interesting post. You suggest, "Somewhere I read a statistic that the average young adult today will have held 13 jobs by the time they are 32." I've read similar forecasts over the past few decades with a range of figures from at least 7 different major jobs in a work life, with over half of these positions not yet invented.

These forecasts leave a couple of questions teachers have yet to address to satisfy some education analysts. Responses to these forecasts appear to have potential influence on education budgets and pay policies. Perhaps you will share your insights about these questions.

1. How can a stable workforce of teachers (however defined) adequately prepare future employees for a dynamic and emerging job market?

2. How can teachers who do not have extensive experiences in a competitive labor force prepare future employees for these and future jobs, or for entrepreneurship that creates employment for school graduates?

Kate

Bill, I think the truth is in the middle; I think test scores can be one of several elements used to evaluate teachers. I wrote about this topic awhile ago myself, from a different point of view than you have expressed here:
http://www.betweenclasses.com/2008/01/24/yes-theyre-watching-our-numbers-thanks-goodness/

DrPezz

I've also read that what a student studies in college will be obsolete within five years, so the idea of "adequately" preparing students for the future is really not the right way of looking at education. Are the students able to learn by themselves, ably prepared to find what they need independently? Teachers provide skills and different ways to think, which students must be able to apply.

As for testing, I teach students who enter my classes near the top of the testing range. Thus, my students can't show their learning on a test; otherwise, I look like I've done little if test scores are the sole measure.

Matt Johnston

Bill,

Thanks for the response to my questions.

I would like to clarify, I don't assume that standardized testing is necessarily "the" right choice in measuring success, but like it or not, it will, for good or ill, be a part of the mix for the near and at least middle term. I don't think I inteded that from my original comments, but I can see how it would be fairly interpreted that way.

However, your response does point out that the fluidity in the labor market does make for hiring and retaining teachers that much more difficult and it necessarily goes beyond simply the manner in which teachers are evaluated and paid.

I wonder if it has to do with, this may sound odd, but attention span. One of the criticisms of the younger generation (and I think I straddle this generational divide a little) is that the attention span of younger workers is less. Viewed from another perspective, the patience of younger workers to see results of their work and to be rewarded for achieving results is less than in generations past. In short, the current generation is not used to delayed gratification and don't want to wait for it.

I wonder if even a reconstituted pay structure would work. Teaching is, by necessity, an enterprise with a long view, that is, the profession must look beyond the current day, week, month, even year to find the "pay off" for the efforts of today. If the attention span/lack of patience is a primary motivator in job hopping, the pay for teachers would have to be dramatically improved to retain the best and the brightest and to encourage their patience.

In my own profession (the law), even high salaries for first year lawyers at big firms don't stop the hemorraging of the profession because like teaching, it takes a number of years to get good at the craft of lawyering and patience in a profession is a difficult trait to acquire and maintain.

David Cohen

Bill,

Right on target in terms of evaluation. The problems you mention are endemic, and scream for the need to have differentiated roles for teachers as coaches and evaluators of our own practice. The idea of all teachers being treated exactly the same and having the same responsibilities is no longer viable.

And regarding tests, right again. They have claimed this spot of excessive value because they are the currently seem to those in power to be the most practical tool, regardless of how effective tests are. For what it's worth, the schools that I've read about, heard about, visited or worked at, where test scores were HIGHEST, were the schools that focused LEAST on test scores and instead focused on high expectations, relationships, and overall support for student learning measured by more varied and authentic indicators.

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