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March 17, 2008

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Bob Heiny

Kudos for reporting this important distinction between process and product. Thurston, Terman, and others showed us how to report them separately in academics almost a hundred years ago. Most teachers followed their lead until the 1960s. It's good to see you advocate for reporting these two parts separately.

Pat

As a special ed teacher, I am very concerned about work behaviors because I want to teach my students skills that can carry over to different situations. I want them to learn content but I also want them to know what processes are important so that they can continue to learn effectively even if I am not with them.

Kate

Forgive me, but I'm a little confused. Do you report the numeric academic average based only on the work that has been turned in? For example, I'm an English instructor, and our department requires certain essays as Core Assignments. If students have A's on two essays, but do not turn the other two essays in, their class average would be a C. With your grading system, would the student receive an A on the academic grading and then an unsatisfactory on the work rubric?

jose

My modus operandi is very similar to yours in that i try to give the parents hot and cold feedback about the child's behaviors as well as their academic success. I honestly believe for my kids, it works best if their work behaviors and academic behaviors are put in together, so there is that extra incentive to do well on the grade that counts. Unfortunately, in the situations I've encountered, the parent doesn't care how the student behaves if I tell him or her that the student is doing well, but if the behavior is included in the grade (if we're looking at grades as an indicator of progress or digress in the class), then it's an extra push for both parent and child to try and do their best to get those grades up.

Kate

Bill, I know from other things I've read on your blog that you are rather sick of this debate, but your concept is a new one for me that I think more teachers should discuss. I referred to this debate and to your blog directly in my latest posting on both my blog and the NCTE secondary page blog. Thanks for being willing to hang in there with the rest of us on this debate...

groovymonkey

Hi Bill,

Is it possible to see what your work rubric looks like? Our school took the big plunge and got rid of number grades and letter grades but that doesn't mean that teachers separated academic and behavioural/work skills on their report cards. We're a work in progress!

I would love to attach a work rubric to my reports as well.

Thanks for the discourse!

Bill Ferriter

Groovy Monkey asked:
Is it possible to see what your work rubric looks like?

Sure, Mrs. Monkey---It's included in this post:

http://teacherleaders.typepad.com/the_tempered_radical/2008/02/waiting-to-be-t.html

It's definitely not my rubric, though. I got it from a presentation by Robert Canady, who came to our district several years ago and presented something just like it.

Hope it helps!
Bill

Carly Albee

Bill- I am seriously thinking about using your brilliant "Student Work Record" rubric. I have a quick detail question: What do you put in the teacher box...a check...a rainbow...a unicorn... or comments??? Okay, I realize that you would never put a unicorn in there.

We have a narrative that we send out with each report card here at Buncombe County Early College. It is great, but needs improvement. I always like to hear from other teachers that are trying to separate behavior and achievement. It helps us refine the art of giving helpful feedback to students. An "A" doesn't mean much...nor does an "F." If our principals told us we were failing at teaching, but didn't give us any idea what we needed improvement on...or even what we were succeeding in...we would be lost (probably depressed too). I think it is silly to think that our students (who don't have the maturity and self-reflecting skills that we do) can figure out what they are doing wrong when an "F" shows up on their report card.

Patty

Bill,
Have you read Getting to Got It? It is an ASCD publication. It sheds light on this.

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