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Pat

This was a great answer! I often compare using technology like a car. We have to show students how to "drive" and where the appropriate places to drive are. Just like the real world, you can drive to ball parks, arcades, and even inappropriate places or you can drive to museums, libraries, stores, etc. I like your analogy to the food court too. That was perfect!

Matt Montagne

I disagree with your statement that kids under 18 should use psuedonyms and completely maintain their anonymity. I actually believe doing these two things encourages nefarious behavior and breaks down any potential to establish rapport and trust, which is an extremely important element in any community, whether that be virtual or face to face.

It's happening right now all over the world...youth are using their real names and engaging in online networks safely and appropriately.

Matt Montagne

Laura Deisley

The terms and conditions for MySpace indicate anyone 13 or older; and I believe Facebook is 14.

I am with Matt on this one. Our students need to know how to be safe on line without establishing fake identities. We have middle school students using their first names on their blogs, and we incorporate many of the tools in our classrooms so students can learn to live online--their "third place"--safely.

Patty Jordan

Wow, Bill. Thanks for sharing your answer. I know many teachers will be glad to have this thoughtful reply. I agree with you that kids need the same supervised experience on the computer that they get with driving the car. I'm still on the fence about using a a pseudonym and will check back to see other comments as they come in.

Bill Ferriter

Matt wrote:
It's happening right now all over the world...youth are using their real names and engaging in online networks safely and appropriately.

This is an interesting strand of conversation for me because I would love nothing more than to have my kids use their real names in digital conversations----but I'm not sure I'm ready to go there.

There is a permanence to actions taken on the web that is intimidating, considering that middle schoolers are still developing as decision makers.

Their ability to think decisions through---and to carefully consider consequences of their actions---isn't yet complete.

They also struggle with controlling their emotions---middle schoolers "uncork" out of frustration sometimes simply because their brains haven't matured yet.

These cognitive characteristics mean that errors in judgment are inevitable.

I think I see (and my thinking isn't finalized by any means) pseudonyms as a safety net for these mistakes. They're a layer of protection and privacy that is impossible to achieve online.

Don't get me wrong----teaching responsible online behaviors, including treating others with respect and protecting oneself, is a huge part of what we do in our classroom.

I just think I'd be more comfortable encouraging the use of names and other identifying information if I were teaching high schoolers.

Middle schoolers have too much to learn about the line between public and private to jump into those waters feet first.

Does any of this make sense? I'm just thinking through the keypad right now.

Bill

Matt Montagne

Hey Bill-

I think what you're saying does make sense. And really, I'm not certain there are right and wrong answers on this front. These are uncertain times and I think we move forward with a certain amount of trepidation. There certainly are no hard and fast rules (eg-some middle school students really DO have the maturity and intellectual capacity to be powerful contributors in online communities...others don't). I think this is doubly complicated by the fact that parents and teachers are late to the party. I'm particularly interested in the parent piece-I think every parent should create a facebook account and start engaging online NOW. They can use facebook to join special interest groups, keep in touch with their friends, and re-connect with old friends--once they do this, they understand the value and can then begin to properly mentor their children instead of police their children.

I've started hosting a series of live, student moderated webcasts. These are 8th grade students with a great deal of maturity and some really interesting things to say. The last episode is posted online here: http://www.webcastacademy.net/node/2049

In the webcast the students identify themselves with the ir first name. I think it would feel odd, un-natural, and unauthentic to not use our first names.

Anyway, I'm meandering now...again, these are tricky times with no hard and fast rules.

Thanks, Bill.

Matt

ms_teacher

my youngest really wanted to connect with his classmates via myspace. I helped him set up his page and have also set my own myspace page where I've friended him.

The caveat to all three of my kids is that I monitor all of their online usage. They know this and so they moderate what they do online.

I've also created a kids account on the family computer. On their account, they cannot go online past a certain time (I have a 16 year old, so the shut off time is 1 a.m. on the week-ends).

I wish I had more control over what they do on their cellphones! Computer usage is easy to monitor, cell phones not so much.

Rose

FYI, the age cut-off for the internet is typically 13, not 16 or 18. I know little about MySpace, but their privacy policy page says: "The MySpace Website is a general audience site and does not knowingly collect PII from children under 13 years of age." Probably still older than a sixth-grader though!

I'm surprised kids this young are using FaceBook. As a Facebook user myself, I've seen networks for colleges and high schools, not middle or elementary schools. Also, Facebook is a site that generally "requires" a full name, not a pseudonym, but it also has privacy settings that means others can't view your profile (or even just sections of your profile). I'm shocked how many people don't utilize these.

I agree with what the parents did, but I also think they should help the child figure out how to do it "right" in a supportive, non-punitive way. It also may be worthwhile for the parents to, at least for a few years, search for their child's name on Google and the top networking sites to see what they get. Not only is this for safety, but also is exactly what some would-be employers may do to find out information about their applicants!

Mark

Bill, that was an excellent answer; particularly the part about many of the fears being overblown. I write a lot on Internet security issues, including the parent advisory article linked to my name. Parents ask me every day what tools they can buy to keep their child safe online. My stock answer is that the only sure fire tool is an involved parent; preferably one who sits in the family room with the child whenever he or she is on the Internet. My kids are allowed to have MySpace and Facebook and email accounts, but I have to be able to access any of them if I wish. And they can use IM, but the computer is shared by the whole family and sits in the family room. No matter how savvy the kids are, they can't cover all their tracks, and I occasionally glance at surfing and search histories and cookie files. I've never found anything untoward (except when my stunned 7yo mis-typed a URL) and don't expect to; but if I do, I'll at least know it's something they've been accessing for days or perhaps weeks, but not months or years.

Mark

Bill, that was an excellent answer; particularly the part about many of the fears being overblown. I write a lot on Internet security issues, including the parent advisory article linked to my name. Parents ask me every day what tools they can buy to keep their child safe online. My stock answer is that the only sure fire tool is an involved parent; preferably one who sits in the family room with the child whenever he or she is on the Internet. My kids are allowed to have MySpace and Facebook and email accounts, but I have to be able to access any of them if I wish. And they can use IM, but the computer is shared by the whole family and sits in the family room. No matter how savvy the kids are, they can't cover all their tracks, and I occasionally glance at surfing and search histories and cookie files. I've never found anything untoward (except when my stunned 7yo mis-typed a URL) and don't expect to; but if I do, I'll at least know it's something they've been accessing for days or perhaps weeks, but not months or years.

Mark

Bill, that was an excellent answer; particularly the part about many of the fears being overblown. I write a lot on Internet security issues, including the parent advisory article linked to my name. Parents ask me every day what tools they can buy to keep their child safe online. My stock answer is that the only sure fire tool is an involved parent; preferably one who sits in the family room with the child whenever he or she is on the Internet. My kids are allowed to have MySpace and Facebook and email accounts, but I have to be able to access any of them if I wish. And they can use IM, but the computer is shared by the whole family and sits in the family room. No matter how savvy the kids are, they can't cover all their tracks, and I occasionally glance at surfing and search histories and cookie files. I've never found anything untoward (except when my stunned 7yo mis-typed a URL) and don't expect to; but if I do, I'll at least know it's something they've been accessing for days or perhaps weeks, but not months or years.

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