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September 21, 2008

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Lisa Thumann

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I agree with you. Unfortunately, many school administrators are on the same page as Obama. They still think that putting an IWB in a classroom is the solution. They still offer PD in PowerPoint. What we need to do is help teachers (who need help) create more student-centered, student-directed classrooms. This way the students are creating and the teachers are just the guide.

Bud Hunt

I'd recommend a look at the entire speech. While I grated at the mention of PowerPoint, I think there's much more substance in the entire address. Also, I wonder if you aren't still a bit hung up on tools, at least as the senator discussed them. We could argue over e-mail as a valuable tool for students (I don't think it's dead just yet.), but I'd bet we'd agree that spending time communicating with experts is a shift of classroom thinking about "research" that would be worth making.

Adam

Bill,
Nice post. Once again I think it comes back to school leaders making decisions based on technology and not on student learning. I posted about this about a month ago http://techinnc.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/when-the-wisdom-of-crowds-goes-wrong/

Adam

Larry Ferlazzo

Bill,

I think your points, as usual, are very insightful.

When I first read an article about Obama's speech, I was pretty disappointed. However, after I read the speech itself, I felt a little bit better about it -- especially his take take on tests:

http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/09/09/barack-obamas-speech-today-on-education/

Larry

Paul Cancellieri

Bill,

I would like to ask (with tremendous respect and admiration for you) that while I am optimistic about a presidential candidate who puts out statements that match what informed experts have been saying for years, can a person like Barack Obama really make a difference in our educational system?

I have resigned myself to the fact that I have to make these changes in my own classroom while I wait for those in power to take the necessary steps. I don't believe that our new President will have that power. Bush may have spearheaded NCLB, but Congress passed it. And Congress is dragging its feet in making changes to NCLB 2.0. Leadership from the White House may put pressure on those in the Capitol, especially if the majority shares his party philosophy, but this is a HUGE ship that has been on the wrong course for a very long time. Changing its direction is better achieved from the bottom up. (That's where the rudder in my metaphor lives, anyway)

I don't mean to sound cynical, but I think that a school system somewhere in this country must take a stand, reject Fed money, and show that a system based on more comprehensive (and more formative) assessment will improve education. Oh, and give those willing to show that they will change and improve their practice the kind of pay that they deserve. I can't buy bread with pride in my job.

Bill Ferriter

@budtheteacher wrote:
We could argue over e-mail as a valuable tool for students (I don't think it's dead just yet.), but I'd bet we'd agree that spending time communicating with experts is a shift of classroom thinking about "research" that would be worth making.


First, thanks for stopping by, Bud---you've challenged my thinking dozens of times in the past year whether you realize it or not.

Second, we definitely agree on this point: It's nice to see Obama making a case for classrooms that reach out to experts.

That's the kind of interactive education that our kids have grown to expect---everything is participatory to them. My students don't think twice about trying to reach out to others, no matter who they are!

I just worry that when someone as important as Obama uses Powerpoint and email as examples of 21st Century learning, principals and school leaders are going to be convinced that their building is on the right track.

Do you think that the shift Obama mentions---to a classroom where students reach out to experts---will be noticed by most school leaders?

Rock on,
Bill

Bill Ferriter

Paul wrote:
Oh, and give those willing to show that they will change and improve their practice the kind of pay that they deserve. I can't buy bread with pride in my job.

Hey Paul...this is a GREAT quote!

And in this case, I think Obama's got it spot on. Have you read what he's written about paying teachers differently?

He's got some progressive thoughts that I think you'd embrace.

BTW: I realized---in the shower, actually----that my post gave the impression that I believed the President could change education on his own!

Just added a line to clarify that---although you nailed it pretty well in your comment too.

Bill

Adam

Paul,
You should check out what the state of Wyoming is doing. They don't accept federal funds and they are using product-based assessments for students.

Lisa Thumann

Bill,

Your concern that when "someone as important as Obama uses Powerpoint and email as examples of 21st Century learning" is going to give schools the impression that they are on the right track is something that I have been wrestling with.

There is a huge learning curve right now. Those immersed in 21st Century Learning skills, those familiar with the terminology and then those in education that do-not-know-what-they-don't-know.

Could this be why Obama used PowerPoint? Was this example chosen to speak to the masses? Or does he really not have an understanding of the skills our students need to be taught to be successful in the 21st Century.

I'm sure you've talk to just as many educators as I have that don't know what a wiki, blog or even a Google Doc is. Imagine if Obama mentioned those in his speech.

Lisa

Bill Ferriter

Lisa wrote:
Could this be why Obama used PowerPoint? Was this example chosen to speak to the masses? Or does he really not have an understanding of the skills our students need to be taught to be successful in the 21st Century.

I'm sure you've talk to just as many educators as I have that don't know what a wiki, blog or even a Google Doc is. Imagine if Obama mentioned those in his speech.


You know, Lisa---you could definitely be on to something here. Speaking to the masses is important, and the masses wouldn't understand much beyond Powerpoint and email.

But wouldn't it be nice if we saw leaders beginning to leave tools and software applications completely OUT of conversations about 21st Century learning?

I'd like to see more attention paid to the kinds of skills necessary for success in the future because I think it will make people realize that change means a heck of a lot more than just dropping new technology into classrooms.

Does this make sense?
Bill

Mike

Actually, I'm a surprised that The One could take time from making the seas recede and healing the planet to discourse on education. I think we might be hard pressed to find many folks in education who believe that the daily presence of the Federal Government in our classrooms has been anything other than an unwanted intrusion that has imposed myriad unfunded mandates primarily aimed at generating data for Federal and state educrats used to justify the continued intrusion of said educrats.

You are correct, Bill, in asserting that amazing new innovations like Powerpoint(?!), laptops(??!!), e-mail(???!!!) and other technological marvels are hardly the point. One would hope that you recognize that Obama is nothing more than an unusually glib (when using a teleprompter only) Chicago machine politician with virtually no accomplishments, and a record of doing everything he can to avoid leaving a record. This is a model for educational reform and salvation?

And we ought to be very cautious when we talk about 21st century learning as though it is some amazing new invention requiring massive change rather than mere learning taking place because the calendar has advanced past the 20th century. I was hired because I am a good teacher. Because I know how to impart not only my particular academic discipline, but because I understand human beings, particularly of high school age. I know that times change but people done. We learn in exactly the same ways that Aristotle's students learned, through well guided, correct practice over time. Those who, in a kind of "happy, happy, everyone is brilliant and endlessly creative" rapture suggest that teachers should be mere facilitators allowing the unlimited brilliance of each student to magically bubble to the surface, are the kind of people like Obama who make such mindless pronouncements that sound ground breaking, but in reality, reveal a stunning dearth of knowledge about human nature.

Twenty first century learning? Here's a radical, Earth-shaking prescription: Good teachers, in a disciplined environment, high standards, the removal of high stakes, mandatory testing (sew the ground with salt after burning everything and everyone involved in that industry) backed by engaged parents who take responsibility for seeing that their students take full advantage of their learning opportunities, and every day, teach. Oh yes, and in every discipline, read, read, read.

Good, dedicated teachers are a joy and a treasure. Facilitators are a dime a dozen. Do we want to give the public the idea that all they want and need are facilitators? I know many educational publishers who would be delighted with that idea, and would be equally delighted to sell "THE CURRICULUM" that, with the help of facilitators, would revolutionize education, perhaps even taking us into...wait for it...THE TWENTY FIRST CENTURY OF LEARNING! Do we really want to go there? Is that really education? And ultimately, why do we want Federal politicians in our classrooms in the first place?

K. Borden

Mr. Ferriter:

Allow me to quote to you from the "Connections for School Success" we received a couple of weeks ago at meet the teacher night for fifth grade.

Under the heading "Developmental Characteristics":
"May lose some creativity as pressure to conform increases"

As a parent reading this publication by the school system you work for I cringed. I know at home we relish creativity, innovation, and teamwork. I know that she spends her free time in a variety of creative endeavors (dance, drama, robotics, writing, piano) So where is my daughter going to be pressured to conform in a way that we should expect her developmentally to "lose some creativity"?

SCHOOL!!!!!????

That is frightening, and frankly an issue that our family is seriously concerned about as we decide what path to take for her after elementary ends this year.

Mr. Obama worries me as I face these decisions. He supports increased public charter schools but what about other options for choice?

I read teacher after teacher complain that standardized testing has crowded out their ability to teach "teamwork, communication and critical thinking". Perhaps I am far too dense to "get it", but why exactly is it so impossible to coach those skills while actually instructing students on a pool of curriculum objectives? Yes it takes more time to cover an objective as a small group, but not every objective needs to be covered in small groups (13 years of small groups a few times a year should add up to something, it doesn't have to happen all in one class in one year) The same is true with communication skills and their use in varied mediums.

I have to ask....why as you said in your linked blog are you giving hundreds of multiple choice questions? Do you believe that strongly the format of multiple choice is so perplexing as to require that emphasis?

What sometimes frightens me as I consume information on "21st century learning" is the emphasis on form versus substance, process versus content.


Bill Ferriter

K Borden asked:
I have to ask....why as you said in your linked blog are you giving hundreds of multiple choice questions? Do you believe that strongly the format of multiple choice is so perplexing as to require that emphasis?


This is an easy one to answer, K---

I spend this time on multiple choice questions because that's what I'm held accountable for---and as sad as it may seem, the higher level lessons that I once believed would translate into increased performance on end of grade exams just didn't do the job.

How do I know?

My test results didn't come close to matching the results of the "drill and killers" on my hallway!

Why do I care?

Because each year, I get called into the office for a conversation about my "effectiveness index," a measure of my worth as an educator that is derived solely from the numbers my kids put up on our standardized test.

If we want teachers to spend time on developing creative thinkers and collaborative partners, we need to reward teachers who effectively develop those skills in students.

Right now, the only measures that count are end of grade test scores---which are limited to basic bits of content from a ridiculously large curriculum.

Does this make sense?
Bill

K. Borden

Mr. Ferriter:
Thank you for your honest response to what I confess was a question based largely on frustration. Your writings have long impressed me as a those of a reflective teacher who is trying very hard to reach your students where they are and guide them where they can be.

Your experience exemplifies the quandry I as a parent struggle to resolve. I want for my daughter to have as part of her education teachers who are extending the instruction and opportunities they offer beyond course content. On the other hand I want measures of accountability for my child and her teachers I can have some degree of faith are not subjective.

When Mr. Obama says he would promote greater pay for teachers with greater accountability, I read or listen further. Then I hear him say he would change the way accountability is done. That causes pause. What are those alternatives?

What I can't seem to find is the concrete suggested alternate accountability methods.

If I remember correctly you teach 6th grade. By the time students reach you they have six years of previous experience as students (good, bad or mixed). They have been tested in our system for three of those years. At the end of the year ideally the "test" would be an indicator of where they have been lead from where you found them. A failing in practice with NCLB appears to be the weight given that progress annually. If you make leaps but those leaps fall just shy of the goal and fail to cross the finish line consequences follow and those gains are neglected.

We stand on common ground exasperated by suggestions that costly "technology" drops will magically transform the lot of students. We agree that the standardized tests alone (without other measures) are inadequate to fully measure teacher or student performance.

The rub is, what other measures? This is where I as a parent look to you the teaching community to offer answers. I want to learn and hopefully be able to advocate with you for acceptable, reliable accountability. I want to know that you as a community of teachers recognize some in your profession are failing and some are blazing trails we all may be wise to follow.

When Mr. McCain says we should find the teachers who are failing students and help them find other jobs, that also makes me listen and read further.

Summary: Standardized tests are faulty measures of student and teacher accountability. So how do we refine measures, adopt new additional one? I am looking to you the teaching community to bring your experience to the table to lead to some answers.

Mike

Dear K. Borden:

In all my years as a teacher before the advent of high stakes, mandatory testing, I never, for a moment, believed in my wildest dreams that I was unaccountable for my work, nor did I believe that my students were unaccountable to me. Indeed, I had no reason to believe otherwise as I--and all my fellows--saw the evidence that convinced us that incompetent work, shoddy ethics or poor practices of any kind would be swiftly corrected or, if necessary, punished. This is still the case in my school, and I suspect, in most. And yes, I've seen many, many teachers fired. The idea that this isimpossible is simply false.

Bold new accountability measures? None are required. Get into your child's classrooms and regularly review their work. Is their writing steadily improving? Their reasoning ability? Their reading and comprehension? Do they understand and can they explain basic concepts of science, government, human relations? You need not have a master's in education to deal with such issues. Speak with their teachers. Are they feel good, new acronym of the week, self esteem enhancing boneheads who desperately want their students to like them, or caring, professional adults who demand real progress and results and care only about genuinely earned self respect?

A standardized test score ultimately tells you only how your child did on a single test on a single day. Understanding what your child is actually learning, how their brain is growing and improving (or not) takes a bit of effort over time on your part, but it's the same effort intelligent parents have expended for thousands of years, for times and technology change, but human nature, and the way we learn, does not. We do not continue to each as Socrates did because we can't think of better ways to do it, but because we know that when something works, we shouldn't try to fix it. How much grief have we endured because we forgot, over and over again, that simple maxim?

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