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March 15, 2009

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Ariel Sacks

Wow, Bill. I really found some clarity in this post. For a while I was thinking it was just my age (approaching 30) that made me feel like I can;t keep working this hard just for warm fuzzies and exhaustion in return. But you're absolutely right. Part of the reason I'm starting to push back--quite involuntarily--is that the system's expectations of me are shifting, by asking me to prioritize external demands more than the ones I hold inside. None could be more obvious than the demand to teach to the test in place of fostering my students' creativity or social-emotional development (as you pointed out).

I have been a huge fan of Obama, but I felt the same way when I heard him appeal to people to improve their country by entering teaching. I kept thinking that at least in NYCm we don't have much of a problem filling vacancies. We have a big problem keeping teachers in our city's schools, and the catch 22 of imposing a market driven system without paying for it is at the heart of it.

Sam

Great post, Bill. I just posted on the speech as well.

Three responses:
1) The Secretary of Ed and the President have made pretty clear that the primary purpose of the American education system is to support the economy. So it seems logical that market norms would filter down to the school level.

2) Do you see any contradiction in supporting merit pay and the loss of social norms? I see that your ideal model is based on a variety of measures, but it still ultimately appeals to teachers' desire to be compensated for their work.

3) Do you think your objections (and mine) amount to what President Obama refers to as the old, ideological arguments? I ask because I wonder if these arguments can be so easily dismissed.

Bill Ferriter

Sam asked:
Do you see any contradiction in supporting merit pay and the loss of social norms?

Nope. I sure don't, Sam, because while social norms have pretty much always driven my work, I don't really have any hope for them in education any longer!

While I'd love to return to a time where I was working for a cause, Ariely argues that once market norms are introduced to any field, it's impossible for social norms to be reintroduced.

It's a point of no return kinda thing. If you want to be a socially driven organization, that's what you've got to embrace from the beginning because once you start to introduce market based factors, your workers won't buy your socially driven rhetoric any longer.

So my support of merit pay comes from a belief----however sad----that social norms don't drive my work any longer.

And if that's the case, I may as well make a bit of cash for being good at what I do.

Coldhearted?

Sure.

But that's what market based norms do to a profession.

Does this make sense?
Bill

Bill Ferriter

Ariel wrote:
For a while I was thinking it was just my age (approaching 30) that made me feel like I can;t keep working this hard just for warm fuzzies and exhaustion in return.

You got it, Ariel.

Ed Policymakers are a confused lot. They think that they can count on the warm fuzzies that drove educators for so many years to "lift us up."

And in previous generations, that may have worked....but in previous generations, we didn't have the test score police breathing down our throats!

Better yet, young and talented women like you didn't have any other options----outside of nursing and secretarial school----so we didn't have to worry about having a strong candidate pool!

Now---with women competing in every profession and with education taking a turn towards a market based environment, teachers are starting to realize that there are other---and better----options for them to pursue.

No longer is "feeling good" a reason to stay in teaching.

What's funny is that policymakers want to push market based norms on us without accepting the additional expectations that go with being an employer in a market based system. They profess mystery at why no one will teach in a high needs school or why turnover rates are so high.

Shouldn't be a surprise....We're just responding to the marketplace!

Bill

Sam

Hi Bill,

You, and Ariely, are onto something. And I see why you've been so pessimistic lately.

I was thinking of something similar: our system of education is increasingly set up to be a competition. Percentiles are everywhere. Competition among schools, among teachers, among districts, among states. And when there's a competition, someone's got to lose. The entire discourse is set up in such a way that we have to have winners and losers. There will always be teachers and students in such a system who are disenchanted, and the President's attempt to reach them will sound disingenuous.

At the same time, we've got to find hope somewhere. It sucks to feel powerless. Have you found a way to get your power back?

KJ

Wow. When can I buy the book you will be writing? You have summed it up perfectly. Communities want results from their schools like a business- higher test scores being the product, teaching the service- but expect to pay their teachers in "warm fuzzies", smiles, and verbal compliments of a past generation. I'm sorry, but smiles don't fill my gas tank and compliments don't put food on my table... Walk into any store, select an item for purchase, and tell the cashier you'll be paying in hugs ( or-better yet-the positive effect your having of said item will bring to the community!). Let's see how that goes! Well said. Well said. Bravo. Bravo!

K. Borden

Mr. Ferriter:

You said: “In a world governed by social norms, people will do most anything without expectations.”?

The currency of social/interpersonal transactions may not be money, but a “currency” does exist.

This is evidenced in your statements as follows: “I've always wanted to be the teacher who worked in one building for 30 years, teaching generations of children and being celebrated by the community when I retired.” Your expectations in the transaction reflect a benefit anticipated for the cost expended.

As you noted, when confronted with negative input from a district analyst , your assessment of the value of the transaction changed, “Ouch. So much for taking joy from the personal and social growth of my students! “

Your expectation for “compensation” (social recognition and appreciation) went unmet and the bargain/exchange you expected went very sour.

Viewing norms as costless or valueless fails to recognize the very real (although perhaps intangible) exchanges that occur and produce incentives or deterrents. Relationships can be viewed as accounts with deposits and withdrawals that increase or decrease value.

If in fact, education has shifted to a market force driven occupation and the trend is toward finding value in teaching monetarily, might we take a look at a list like the one found at http://www.bizjournals.com/edit_special_docs/37/401_jobs.html and attempt to assign a relative market based compensation system to public school teachers? What would be a rational monetary compensation for public school teachers compared with other occupations? Within the profession, what is the rational compensation for teaching in a high needs school versus another one?

I really wonder how we solve the question raised by Ms. Sacks’ statement “the catch 22 of imposing a market driven system without paying for it is at the heart of it.” What should we pay and what should we rationally/reasonably expect for what we pay?

K. Borden

I would also wonder about reactions to http://teacherportal.com/salary

Nate Barton

I got an email from a parent this morning. Not always the best way to start the day, though occasionally there are positive notes. After reading I thought about this blog post, and about business and the classroom. Here is why it doesn't work for me.

If we apply a business model to our classroom, then essentially our students become a product. Now I have about 80 "products" coming through my part of the conveyor belt on a given day. Most of these products have multiple investors who are highly focused on the quality and potential future returns, which means that you may have multiple bosses breathing down your back on a given day.

Additionally, each product is its own separate entity requiring a different process to maintain construction progress towards completion.

Sometimes we recieve a product that has been minimally completed in their anticipated progression down through the system.

Quality control factors highly in all expectations, regardless of the variety of products that each individual worker recieves. In fact, though we are simultaneously working on multiple separate products, our expectation within the "company" is that each of our products should be constructed in such a way that they shouldn't fail.

I could continue, but I would imagine that you have the picture. It sound like a cold and detached world doesn't it? At times I fear that this is where we are headed.

Bill Ferriter

Hey Nate,

I enjoyed your extended metaphor here....While there's lots of similar metaphors that have been used to compare education too markets, yours is nicely polished.

You should keep working on it because it will help your readers and followers to have a better understanding of why market norms don't always apply to educational settings.

Rock on,
Bill


tweenteacher

Damn, Bill, you are one heck of a writer. I hear what you're saying in an entirely different light. But I grew up in a family of "market norms" in that my father's business was all about competition and copyright, and protecting yourself with your abilities, and getting paid for your uniqueness, and for some reason, this seems to not coincide with the philosophies of education. I teach because it makes me feel great to do good, because it's a service to our future generations, and because it uses all my guns blazin' to do my job and having my neurons firing at full speed feels great. But I resent a system set up hoping that I'll work beyond my pay and just feel great enough to do it until I get my little engraved rock under a tree at my school site. I have two women I work with who, after we fought to be paid for curriculum design hours that the school insisted on, turned the green card down because the school was in such hard times. Fair pay and being treated professionally is a battle I will continue to wage, even if the Florence Nightengales around me think that those norms don't belong in the warm and fuzzy world of education.
-Heather Wolpert-Gawron

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