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June 03, 2010

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Larry Webster

I think the technique would be good for some teachers, while it would not for others. I also find it unusual that the author did not use any veteran teachers as examples. It definitely depends on the personality of the teacher, too.

Thanks for the review of the book!

David Duez

Really interesting. I have found that some of my dramatic lessons (dressing as a Roman Soldier, trench warfare with paper balls, purchase points system w/Reformation) have been very successful. But, what is missing here is the fact that the lesson must be supported by strong setup or follow through to be sure that the objectives are taught and learned. It is one thing to do something dramatic, it is quite another to be sure that learning has occurred. When the two are tied together it can be quite an experience for students and one that they will always remember.

Stanley Pogrow

As the author, I appreciate the review by Elizabeth Stein, and the work of John Norton of middleweb.com for making it possible.

I do want to comment on 2 issues related to the review and readers comments. First, I would like to reinforce what David said. Drama and humor is most powerful instructionally when linked to content. That is the key contribution of Outrageous teaching techniques, in that they are geared to presenting the content that would otherwise be taught conventionally. Instead, the content is presented via techniques that are 180 degrees different. The techniques are designed such that the intended content objective evolves from the dramatic context, and is discussed at the end of the lesson. In other words, the goal is not entertainment, but an alternative powerful form of teaching and learning that should be used judiciously.

Second, both the reviewer and Larry mentioned that lessons from veteran teachers were missing and/or should have been included. Most of my work with the Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) project mentioned by the reviewer has been with wonderful veteran teachers, and their insights were part of the inspiration and ideas for outrageous teaching. At the same time, the goal of this book was to show that the techniques work to improve student interest and learning, and that they could be easily applied by anyone. If inexperienced teachers, such as the ones described in the book, could use the techniques to pull off masterful teaching, then veteran teachers certainly can. I also suspect that veteran teachers, even already creative ones such as the reviewer, will find some of the techniques counter-intuitive/different. That is not a bad thing! I am confident that if veteran teachers decide to trust the techniques, they will find the experience rewarding and create a basis for extending their own practice—while at the same time extending the practice of Outrageous instruction as part of a professional learning community (PLC). I understand that the participation of veteran ideas is critical to building the needed PLC. So this book is just a first step. My primary goal now is to learn from and share the ideas/lessons/units of veteran teachers. Outrageous lessons/units can be sent to me directly to me at the email address in the book, and can be sent to be shared with others at outrageousteaching.blogspot.com.

Cindy

Does this apply to younger students. ie k - 6? How does it effect students with Autism in the same class? This is interesting. I just want to see if this is worthwhile for me to purchase the book. I have to be careful.

Elizabeth Stein

I enjoyed reading through these comments...

And it's so great to hear from you, Mr. Pogrow! Thanks for adding your thoughts in response to the review and readers' comments.

After reading through these comments a few thoughts come to mind:

#1: Teachers must know their students. So in the case of cindy's question, I say--yes. The ideas expressed in this book can apply to any grade and any group of students. However, the teacher must know his or her students and apply the technique appropriately; always linking the "outrageous" act to meaningful content and objectives. The act should never be so "outrageous" that the lesson objectives get lost in the mix. Meaninful connections must be made by the students and tied seamlessly to instruction and assessment.

#2: It's really all about grabbing students' attention at the onset and sustaining their attention long enough for them to really allow the content and key concepts to seep in--with transfer as the goal.

#3: Mr. Pogrow also states that this technique is not to be used with all lessons. Just balanced enough to allow students to get in the habit of becoming engaged and self-motivated--and add that habit to their repetoire of learning behaviors--especially during those lessons where the teacher does not teach outrageously. My hope is that students will get into the groove of feeling that sense of engagement and then allow for this to become part of who they are as learners at an independent level.

David, it sounds like you have some great ideas for Mr. Pogrow's next book!

Larry, I agree that personality plays a key role in this type of teaching. You're right, some teachers will need to step outside of their comfort zone if they'd like to experience this firsthand. A well-planned outrageous lesson just may be the answer to some ho-hum lessons...


Thank you, again, Mr. Pogrow!


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